Monday 14 November 2016

Paper no:3 plato objection to poetry and aristotle answer

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Name:Mehta kavita dineshbhai
Cource:M.A English
Semester:1
Batch:2016-2018
 Roll  no:18
Submitted  to:S.M.T  S.B Gardi
                         Department of English
                        Mk bhav university
Email id:kavitamehta164@gmail.com
Paper no:3 Literary Theory & criticism
Topic:Plato’s objection to poetry and Aristotle’s answer.


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       Plato’s objection to poetry :
   
     
            
                       Plato was the first systemic critic who inquired in to the nature of imaginative literature and put forward theories which are both illuminating and provocative .He was him self a great poet and his dialogues are full of his gifted dramatic quality.his dialogues are the classic of the world literature having dramatic,lyrical and fictional elements.
                                  Plato’s theory of mimesis : all arts are imitative or mimetic in nature .He wrote in  The Republic that ‘Ideas are the ultimate reality’.Things are conceived as idea before they take practical shapes.so,idea is original and these things is copy of that idea.Carpenter’s chair is the result of the idea of chair in his mind.Thus chair is once removed from reality .But painter’s chair is imitation of carpenter’s chair.So it is twise removed  from reality .
                              Plato the philosopher:as a moralist Plato disapproves of poetry because it is immoral.As a philosopher he disapproves of it because it is hased in flashehood. Truth is philosophy that is more important.
                           Plato’s three main objections to poetry are that poetry is not ethical,philosophical and pragmatic  and other words,he objected to poetry from the point of view of Education,from Philosophical point of view and from Moral point of view.
                         Plato then makes a challenge to poet to defend themselves against his criticisms.Ironically it was plato’s most famous student,Aristotle,who was the first theorist to defend literature and poetry in his writing poetics. Plato felt that poetry,like all form of art,appeals to the inferior part of the soul,irrational,emotional cowardly part.plato,an appreciation of poetry is incompatible  an appreciation of reason,justice ,and the search for truth.In Ion he suggest that poetry causes needless lamentation and ecstasies at the imaginary eventf sorrow and happiness.To him drama is the most dangerous form of literature because the auther is imitating things that he/she does not understand .Plato seemingly feels that no words are strong enough to condemn drama.Plato felt that all the word’s evils derived from one source:a faulty understanding of reality.Miscommunication confusion and ignorance were facets of a corrupted comprehension of what Plato always strived for truth.Plato is above all a moralist.His primary objective in the republic is to come up with the most righteous,intelligent way to live one’s life and to convince others to live this way .Every thing else should conform in order to achieve this perfect state.plato considers poetry useful only as a means of achiving this state,that is,only useful if it helps one to become a better person,and if it does not ,it should be expelled from the community.Plato’s quation in book 5 is the intellectual status of literature .He states that ,the good poet cannot compose well unless he knows his subject,and he who does not have this knowledge can never be a poet .Plato says of imitative  poetry and homer,a man is not to be reverenced more than the truth.
                        Plato’s commentary on poetry in republic is overwhelmingly negative.In books 2 and 3 Plato's main concern about poetry is that children’s minds are too impressionable to be reading false tales and misrepresentation of the truth.As stated in book 2 ,for a young person can not judge what is allegorical and what is literal;anything that he receives into his mind at that age is likely to become indelible and undelible and unalterable;and therefor it is most important that the  tales which the young first hear should be model of virtuous thought.He is essentially saying that children cannot tell the difference between fiction and reality and this compromises their ability to discernright from wrong.Thus,children should not be exposed to poetry so that later in life they will be able to seek the truth without having a preconceived,or misrepresented,view of reality.Plato reasons that literature that portrays the gods as behaving in immoral ways should be kept away from children ,so that they will not be influenced to act the same way.
                     Another objection is that it is often viewed as portraying either Male dominance or female exploitation.People argue that this should not be the way the word works;therefore it is not the truth.These claims sound much like the claims that Plato is trying to make when he asserts that certain poetry should be kept out of the hands of children.While the power of censorship can be abused ,Plato seemed to believe that his stance is justified because he is trying to make children grow to be good ,moral individuals.While Plato has some very negative view on the value of literature ,he also ststes the procedures that he feels are necessary in order to change poetry and literature from something negative to something positive.He does feel that some literature can have redeeming values.Good ,truthful literature can educate instead of corrupting children .In the city plato would allow only hymns to the gods and praised to famous men.Plato does not want literature to corrupt mind he wants it to display images of beauty and grace .Plato’s view may be deemed narrow minded by today’s society,but one must remember that Plato lived over 2000 year ago.He probably wrote republic with the best intention for the people of his time.While his views on censorship and poetry may even seem outlandish today,Plato's goal was to state what he judge to be the guidelines for a better human existence.

1) Plato’s objection to poetry from the point of view of Education:
a)In ‘The republic’book 2- He condemns poetry as fostering evil habits and vices in children. Homer's epics were not example of should or ideal morality.They were lusty,cunning ,and cruel-war mongers.Even Gods were no batter.
b).Plato writes: “if we means our future guardians to regard the habit of quarreling among themselves as of all things the basest,no word should be said to them of the wars in the heaven,or of the plots and fighting of the gods against one another,for they are not true…if they would only believe as we would tell them that quarreling is unholy,and that never up to this time has there been any quarreling  between citizens…these tales must not be admitted into our state,whether they are supposed to have allegorical meaning or not”.
c).Thus he objected on the ground that poetry does not cultivate good habits among children.
2)Objection from philosophical point of view:
a).In ‘The Republic’ Book 5:poetry does not lead to,but drives us away from the realization of the ultimate reality –the truth.
b).Philosophy is better than poetry because philosophy deals with idea and poetry is twise removed from originl idea.
c).Plato says : “The imitator or maker of the knows nothing of true existence;he knows appearance only …The imitative art is an inferior who marries an inferior and has inferior offspring.”
3)Objection form the moral point of view:
a).In the same book in ‘The Republic’:Soul of man has higher principles of reason as well as lower constituted of baser impulses and emotions.Whatever encourages and strengthens the rational principle is good,and emotional is is bad.
b).Poetry waters and nourishes the baser impulses of men-emotional, sentimental and  sorrowful.
c).Plato says : “Then the imitative poet who aims at being at being popular is not by nature made,nor is his art intended,to pleaseor to affect the rational principle in the soul ;but he will prefer the passionate and fitful temper,which is easily limited…And there for we shall be right in refusing to admit him into a well order state ,because he awakens and waters the passion instead of drying them up;she lets then rule,although they ought to be controlled,if mankind are ever to increase in happiness and virtue.”
 These are Plato's principal charges on poetry and objection to it .Before we pass on any judgment ,we should not forget to keep in view the time in which he lived .During his time:
·      Political instability.
·      Education was in sorry state.Homer was part of studies-misrepresented.
·      Woman were regarded inferior-slavery
·      Best time of Greek literature was over –corruption and degeneration in literature.
·      Confusion prevailed in all spear of life-intellect,moral,political and education.
·       Example;philosophers and thinkers like socrates were imprisoned,forces to drink wine/poison and kill him.

     Aristotle replied to them one by one in his defense of poetry:

1)Plato says that art being the imitation of the actual is removed from truth.It only gives the likeness of a thing in concret,and the likeness is always less than real.Bit Plato fails to understand that art also give something more which is absent in the actual.The artist does not simply reflect the real in the manner of a mirror.Art is not slavish imitation of reality.Literature is not the photographic reproduction of life in all its totality.It is the representetion of selected events and characters necessary of a coherent action for the realization of artist’s purpose.He even exalts,idealizes and imaginativaly recreates a world which has its own meaning and and beauty.These elements,present in art,are absent in the raw and rough real.While a poet creates something less than reality he at the same times creates something more as well. He puts an idea of the reality which he perceives in an object. This ‘more’, this intuition and perception, is the aim of the artist. Artistic creation cannot be fairly criticized on the ground that it is not the creation in concrete terms of things and beings. Thus considered, it does not take us away from the Truth but leads us to the essential reality of life.
2)Plato again says that art is bad because it does not inspire virtue,does not teach morality.But it is teaching the function of the art?Is it the aim of the artist?The function of art is to provide aesthetic delight ,communicates experience,express emption  and present life .It should never be confused with the function of ethics which is simply to teach morality.If an artist succeeds in pleasing us in aesthetic sense,he is a good artist.If he fails in doing so,he is a bad artist.There is no other criterion to judge his worth.Plato’s charge that needless lamentation and ecstasies at the imaginary events of sorrow and happiness encourages weaker part of soul and numbs faculty of reason .The charge is defended by Aristotle in his Theory of  catharsis .David Daiches summarizes Aristotle’s views in reply to Plato's charges in brief: “Tragedy (Art) gives new knowledge ,yield aesthetic satisfaction and produces a better state of mind.”
3)Plato judge poetry now from the educational standpoint ,now form the philosophical one and then from the ethical one.But he does not care to consider it form its own unique standpoint .He does not define its aims .He forgets that everything should be judged in terms of its own aims and objective its own criteria of merit.We cannot fairly maintain that music is bad because it does not  sing .Similarly ,we cannot say that poetry is bad because it does not teach philosophy of ethics.If poetry ,philosophy and ethics had identical function,how could they be different subjects?To denounce poetry because it is not philosophy of ideal is clearly absurd.
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  1. Your topic is Plato's objection to poetry and you also put Aristotle's views is really good.

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